Protestation -

Protestation

2025-07-24 21:13:06

Protestation via Communism

protestation@discuss.tchncs.de

communism

2025-07-24 21:19:33

Archangel1313

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca

Wut?

2025-07-24 21:33:33

Comrade Ferret

ferret@hub.workersofthe.world

@Archangel1313 The welfare state was the capitalist's answer to working class organization and its victory in the Soviet Union. It was a concession and therefore a means of control. It's also an alarming sign that capitalism seems to believe it no longer needs it.

2025-07-24 21:57:35

Archangel1313

Archangel1313@lemmy.ca

That contradicts most of 20th century history. The welfare state was implemented because of Capitalism’s failures during the great depression. After the stock market crash in the late 1920’s, so many people were left out of work, that the government needed to step in and not only start providing people with guaranteed employment, but also subsidize those that couldn’t be employed. This was also when they implemented social security and began implementing universal healthcare systems to pay for people’s medical care.

This was largely paid for by historically high taxes on the very same people that caused the financial crisis in the first place.

Capitalists have never approved of these programs. They were forced to provide for people who weren’t working. To them, that’s the equivalent of theft. It’s the entire reason they have been trying so hard to dismantle the welfare state, ever since…and abolish the tax system that funds it. As far as they’re concerned, if you can’t afford to pay for these services at market value, you deserve to starve and/or die untreated.

2025-07-25 00:04:38

Comrade Ferret

ferret@hub.workersofthe.world

@Archangel1313

implemented because of capitalism's failures during the Great Depression

Yes, exactly. People were organizing. Rising up. Capitalism did approve those programs, in order to keep them from doing so. Or do you think that you no longer live under capitalism, because capitalism "would never have approved" welfare?

Socialism is not when you have a welfare state.

2025-07-25 05:02:16

Cowbee [he/they]

Cowbee@lemmy.ml

Not quite. Capitalists agreed to make temporary concessions, with the dissolution of the USSR there was no longer a rival system that offered good safety nets with fewer resources and under constant siege. Then, the capitalists removed them over time. See here:

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For capitalists, welfare comes from taxation, which as paid from the social fund this includes coming from worker’s wages. Welfare is merely like electricity for a capitalist, both necessary in that they maintain the conditions for commodity production, and as such both are minimized to the degree they can be, just like worker’s wages.

2025-07-25 00:06:34

Comrade Ferret

ferret@hub.workersofthe.world

@Comrade Ferret The fact that I can say this in a supposedly communist forum and have as many people upvoting it as downvoting it really speaks volumes about how absolutely fucking cooked Lemmy is.

2025-07-25 04:04:04

Ardens

Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml

Totally baloney… with a little exception. It’s true, that a welfare state culls some of the reasons to make an uprising. But a welfare state doesn’t take away any ability to self organize, or ability to work with each other.

A true welfare state would promote innovation and aspiration at the bottom. But a welfare state created to shut the protests down, would have welfare with demands. Like if you get welfare you should spend all your time looking for work, and you can’t earn anything, and your help will only be enough to survive.